Traveling As a Muslim Is the Worst

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It’s been a while since I wrote a non-points-related post, and I thought this topic would be a good one because I have PLENTY to say. It only became top of mind because of a post written by fellow Boarding Area blogger Muslim Travel Girl, who experienced a little extra questioning due to…well, you can be the judge of why exactly she was stopped. I’ll share a few personal stories here.So let me preface all of this by saying I’m 28 years old and I’m Muslim. I was born and raised in Southern California to Pakistani parents who came to this country in the 1970’s. Thankfully they loved to travel, and as a kid I got to tag along on trips with my two older siblings. This is probably where I caught the travel bug, in addition to seeing my older brother go on work trips in Business Class from time to time.

But then 9/11 happened when I was in 9th grade. Most of the things classmates said at the time was done in jest, and I’m a good-humored guy, so at the age of 15 I didn’t care about the jokes. In fact, I joined in with some of these jokes, which were in bad taste looking back.

The point I’m making is that what happened on 9/11, and certainly every terrorist attack committed by so-called Muslims since, has felt so far removed from me and my religion that I didn’t even care to get involved. It hadn’t impacted me in California…yet.

Traveling as a Muslim

When I turned 18, something strange started to happen. Every time I went to the airport to check-in to my flight after turning 18, I had some difficulty. I could never check-in at the kiosk or online, and even the agents were suddenly unable to check me in themselves. They now needed to get approval from a second person, sometimes over the phone and sometimes someone had to physically come see me. On more than a few occasions, an armed officer also appeared behind the desk as they waited for approval.

“Weird,” I thought to myself.

I used to tell friends about this all the time; many laughed or joked about it, but I don’t think anyone really understood or believed me. When I graduated college I got a job in Consulting, and my first work trip was a training session in Florida. I had mentioned to my new coworkers that I usually have some difficulty at the airport. My coworkers all checked in at the kiosk, I couldn’t. The agent couldn’t check me in either, and we waited and waited. A coworker finally said “Man, you weren’t joking.”

My next 5 years was full of this as you can imagine how much a Consultant had to travel. But that’s literally the smallest portion of what I’ve experienced.

Let’s talk about security checkpoints, which varied widely. For the first 6 years after turning 18 I was given some form of secondary screening about 75% of the time. Yeah yeah, “random” searches and all that. It wasn’t random. I could just tell because TSA started eyeing me with 10 people ahead. I learned early on that I needed tons of time at the airport before a flight and adjusted my travel plans accordingly.

[As an aside, in the miles/points world it’s not uncommon to book lots of one-way tickets. Also, I personally hate checking in a bag because I feel it’s a waste of time to wait for it at the end of my flight. So imagine a guy like me on a one way ticket with only carry-on luggage.]

What about outside the US? This was a more interesting experience. There are certain airports that were horrible, while most were completely fine. The worst ones that immediately come to mind were/are Paris, everywhere in Germany, and Vancouver. Secondary screening in Vancouver was quite a story.

US Immigration is taken care of in Vancouver, so I met with the Immigration Officer there. I had just spent a night in Vancouver after a round-the-world trip of sorts and was on my last leg going home. This was during the one year I took off from work to spend traveling, and that’s why it became particularly interesting (I actually mentioned this incident briefly at the end of a hotel review post). He asked me what I do for a living, and I said I was a travel blogger. He asked for details upon details. What magazine do I write in (none obviously), what topics do I write about, why, how do I afford to travel so much, etc. He asked for the name of my blog, which I gave him. He literally typed it into his computer and went to the Travel Summary home page. Except he saw a few posts on manufactured spending and liquidating gift cards, and I guess became suspicious. Flipping through my passport he said it looks like I’ve been to the Middle East a lot…and I mentioned I had only a single Middle Eastern stamp in my passport. All this while he’s being as much of a prick as you can imagine someone being. Oh, and this was in the Global Entry line.

I got sent to secondary screening, which is a separate room. Basically, you get sent there to sit doing nothing for at least an hour. You’re not allowed to use your cell phone so you can’t check your flight status or notify any friends/family. You’re not allowed to talk, and you can’t leave the room. You sit until someone comes to talk to you. Finally, after over an hour, and after I’d missed my flight, a very nice Immigration Officer came to ask me some of the same questions I was just asked earlier. What I do for a living, how I make money, where I’ve gone, etc. I was finally allowed to leave, now having to figure out getting on the next flight home.

I’m a US Citizen, so one would think (or at least I did many years ago) that returning home from an international trip with my US Passport in hand would be a breeze. It used to be when I was a kid, but as an adult that changed. The type of questions I was asked when re-entering the country are absolutely ridiculous. Here’s a quick snippet of a conversation I had a few years back when coming home from London and Paris. And there’s is absolutely no exaggeration here:

Immigration Officer: Where did you go on this trip?

Me: London and Paris

Immigration Officer: What did you do there

Me: Just sightseeing, the usual

Immigration Officer: Did you go to Saudi Arabia on this trip?

Me: No…

Immigration Officer: How about Pakistan?

Me: I went to London and Paris.

Immigration Officer: Did you participate in any training? Shoot any guns?

Me: [Laughing] Are you serious?

Immigration Officer: Please answer the question.

Me: No, I didn’t…

And this happened almost every time I spoke with an Immigration Officer. Ridiculous questions about Iran and Syria (both of which I’ve never been to), what business I had wherever I just came from, why I took so many flights, and more. I’ve been asked detailed questions about what I do for a living (as in what are my tasks in day-to-day work), how much money I make, why I have so many stamps in my passport, why I’ve been to Pakistan, and other questions about a range of topics. It didn’t matter whether I had just been to Western Europe, the Middle East, Asia, Australia, or whatever. Always questions about these things.

The worst part is the fact that they’re just trying to make me agitated and upset. They ask questions looking to hear you slip on your words so they can exclaim “gotcha!” and take me into the back room. Thankfully I eventually always got the “Welcome Home” greeting, the sincerity of which always sounded questionable.

I Had It Easy!

What I just explained sucked (and sometimes still does suck) to go through, but it wasn’t even close to being the worst. In fact, my older brother went through far worse. He’s 8 years older than me, so he got to experience it all way before me (turning 18 seems to be the magic number). Here’s another story:

My brother was probably about 26 and we were all on the way back from a family trip (I forget from where). My brother insisted that he go through Immigration separately because it always takes him longer to clear – he knew this because of various international work trips he took at the time. He thought that the rest of us might as well go grab all the checked luggage while he finishes up.

Long story short, a couple hours later my family and I are sitting in the baggage claim area and have no idea where my brother is. None of the Immigration personnel would tell us anything. After 3 hours he finally appeared and said he was basically interrogated about every detail of his life.

Here’s my final story: I went with my brother to the 2010 Winter Olympics in Vancouver. We’re big fans of ice hockey, and we were lucky enough to get to watch a ton of games including the Men’s Ice Hockey Final, which pitted Team Canada vs. Team USA in a thriller. It was probably the best game I’d ever been to as Team USA tied it with seconds left to take the game to overtime. My brother and I were just a small fraction of fans cheering for Team USA, as the crowd was heavily Canadian as one would expect in Vancouver. Unfortunately Team USA lost in overtime, but I had loads of fun. We headed straight for the airport after the game.

The final results in Vancouver for Men
The final results in Vancouver for Men’s Ice Hockey

As usual, my brother and I went through Immigration separately because of his usual delay. Remember Vancouver airport’s secondary screening? Well, my bro got selected for that, except I had no idea since I miraculously passed through with ease this day. When I went through immigration I waited a few minutes, but couldn’t see him. Perhaps he’d passed me without me seeing – I went to our gate, checked the restaurants and the shops, but no sign of him. No messages on my phone from him. I asked the Officer at the Immigration exit (the one you hand your declaration card to at the end), and he went through all the cards and didn’t see my brother’s name on any, so he was still in the Immigration area. Thankfully, someone let my brother walk to the door of the secondary room to waive to me that he was still there (he knew I’d be worried). I took a seat outside and waited.

A full 6 hours later, well beyond the time our flight had left (and, in fact, landed at home), my brother was released. He was told they needed to get approval from someone in Washington DC before letting him through. So we missed our flight, and there was nothing else we could get on for the night. We had to get a hotel. And remember, it was the last days of the Olympics, so the best we could do was the $600+/night Fairmont at the airport. We both missed work the next day as well since our original flights were on a Sunday.

All this after waiving the US Flag and wearing Team USA jerseys to represent our country.

Final Thoughts

First of all, let me just mention that this post is already very long so I left out TONS of other stories. I left out all the times when every piece of my clothing was removed from bags to be checked (sometimes even twice before getting on the plane), stories of traveling within Europe, and even the things people have straight up said to me. There’s so much more but I thought the above stories would be illustrative enough.

My point is this – it sucks to travel as a Muslim. Even with Global Entry, which helped a little but clearly not in Vancouver, the security experience can suck (though I’d still much rather have it for the times it does work). There’s no doubt in my mind that I’m profiled. I’m a little brown, I have some facial hair, my name (Omar) sounds Middle Eastern enough, and my family background is from a country most Americans are deathly afraid of because of what they see in the news.

Does that make it OK that this happens to me, my family, some friends, and undoubtedly millions of others with similar backgrounds? No. But people are just so afraid these days that they think this makes them safe. Don’t get me wrong – this isn’t a sob story and I’m certainly not looking for sympathy. I’ve learned to live with all of this and just accept it as a part of my life. Just like I accept that the government probably monitors my phone calls and other things. Think I’m joking? Check this article about how the FBI planted an informant in my hometown mosque and had him say violent things (my favorite part of the article is that the informant ended up converting to Islam for real). Or this one about how an FBI agent almost ran over one of my classmates when I was in college at UC Irvine. I literally live under the assumption that I’m being watched, so this is normal for me and many others with my background in this country.

I’m one of those people that believes that I don’t have to apologize about ISIS or Al Qaeda or whatever. Those groups have nothing to do with me and my religion (and indeed, they kill/displace far more Muslims than they kill/displace anyone else). Will I denounce/condemn their actions, like the tragic ones that just occurred in Belgium? Absolutely! I just don’t believe I have to do so any more than my Christian or Jewish or Buddhist or Atheist neighbor would. Just because these terrible groups call themselves Muslim, or just because my name sounds like some of theirs, or just because they’re from the same geographic region as my ancestors were from, doesn’t mean I bear the burden of responsibility in ANY way. My heart aches for victims and their families, as any human’s would/should.

Anyway, those are my two cents. Again, I’m not looking for any sympathy towards me here – I just thought I’d explain all the things that happen to me before and after a flight review since the topic came up elsewhere.

As always, Happy (and Safe) Travels!

 

Peace

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Shane
Shane
10 years ago

Honestly if I got a bad vibe from a Muslim when I was getting on a plane, I would not get on.

Scott Mackenzie
Scott Mackenzie
10 years ago
Reply to  Shane

How would you even know that person is Muslim without asking him or her?

I assume that if you got a bad vibe from a Christian or Jew that it’d be okay.

Azsed
Azsed
9 years ago
Reply to  Shane

Hmmm, wonder what is the definition of a Bigot

Skycap
Skycap
9 years ago
Reply to  Azsed

Google it 🙂

Azsed
Azsed
9 years ago
Reply to  Skycap

When I said “wonder what is the definition of a Bigot” I was being sarcastic to Shane’s statement… so you look up sarcasm 🙂

Skycap
Skycap
9 years ago
Reply to  Azsed

you mean google it:)

Azsed
Azsed
9 years ago
Reply to  Skycap

🙂 you catch up fast 🙂

Here Now
Here Now
10 years ago

Hiya, found this post now in July as you’ve moved to TravelCodex. Read through all the stupid, read thru all the hate and self-justified racism. Read the reasonable stuff, too.

Can’t help to point out the obvious, that religion–any and all religion–is the truest source of hate and violence. I don’t much care if you’re Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Sikh, Hindu, Buddhist, Mormon, etc., etc., etc., too many dumb religions in existence, all who lay claim to absolute truth, and all just as far away from truth as one could be. All religions are based on word-of-mouth stories, from other fallible humans, as their “truth”. No proof, no evidence, nothing but ‘some guy’s stories’ on which to lay responsibility for possibly the entirety of their words and actions.

Mormonism and Scientology are the latest that should’ve shown all religious folks by now–make up a story, be convincing, claim truth, and you’ll have a religion. And then, believers. And then, true believers. And then, discrimination against those who don’t believe ‘the one true story’.

Religion may have been necessary to help bring human beasts into civilization, but this tool is no longer needed and creates many, many more problems than it helps.

So, argue that you’re discriminated against–it’s true. And sad. It shouldn’t be thus. But until humans stop believing in skygods, and the supposed preferences those skygods impart, it will continue. Sorry you lost the lottery at this point in history. I hope you evolve better in the future.

Imran Khan
Imran Khan
10 years ago
Reply to  Here Now

“I hope you evolve better in the future.”

WTF kind of pseudo-intellectual angstheist nonsense is this?

Here Now
Here Now
10 years ago
Reply to  Imran Khan

Good job ignoring the entire point of my post!

And, for the future, “pseudo-intellectual angstheists” is literal nonsense.

Imran Khan
Imran Khan
10 years ago
Reply to  Here Now

There is no point to your post. You’re just spouting random gibberish and nonsense.

Holly Johnson
Holly Johnson
10 years ago

@TravelSummary

Sorry this is happening to you.

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Peter
Peter
10 years ago

Another thought… I’m curious how much terrorism these distasteful TSA tactics deterred vs. created.

Deterrence is impossible to measure. Most of ISIS targets have been non-airport locations, which may have been a result of the fact that post-911 airports are heavily guarded and not worth the trouble. Doesn’t stop those crazy people though, as they find different ways to kill the innocent in different places. Just because a bomb isn’t detonated at an airport (or on a plane) doesn’t mean that it isn’t detonated to cause terror.

On the other hand, there has been increasing attention on how citizens of the Western world travel to join ISIS, and how that’s becoming a major global headache. While I applaud Omar and all my Muslim friends for being cool-headed, rational, and genuinely nice, I really question what I would do if I suffer the kind of discrimination that they receive. I mean, if I live my life being told that I’m a threat to the national security risk to my own home country, and am constantly harassed to the point of regularly missing my flights and stuff, I would probably explode at some point. It will be hard to blame me for absolutely hating the system and the people behind it, right? I mean, being angry doesn’t drive a person to be an extremist, but all you need is 1 in a million to join ISIS in order to cause a lot of harm… and there are a lot more mentally unstable people in this world.

Peter
Peter
10 years ago

Thanks for this post. It’s well-written, it’s entertaining, and above all it tells a story we should all hear. I applaud you being able to describe these unfortunate events without turning it into an angry rant.

I don’t have that many Muslim friends (or Middle Eastern-looking, which seems to be what matters here), but I am deeply interested in this topic on a personal level. As a non-Christian, non-white, foreign-born young-ish male in the US, I often wonder if it’s ever gonna be “my turn”. All it will take, probably, is one crazy Asian dude to do something jaw-droppingly horrible, and the world as we know it will look at my kind with the same level of suspicion. And I get it – people that you don’t understand can be scary. I grew up in a homogeneous society, and remember the first time I saw openly gay people, the first time I saw a black person, and even the first time I saw a white person… moving to the US taught me so much about diversity, tolerance, and understanding, yet some people who’ve spent generations in this country are still quite backwards for some reason.

Americans including many commenters here love to quote “statistics” for the harsh treatment of Middle Easterners in the name of security measure. The only truth in the statistics is tied to the number of hours they see something being replayed on CNN. There is no denial that radical Muslims flew two planes into two skyscrapers… and crashed two more on the same day. But no self-respecting statistician will claim that as statistically significant, whether represented as % of flights flown or % of Muslims worldwide. A mentally ill German pilot crashed a plane into the mountain… technically that is a higher percentage of Germans causing trouble in the skies, but we ignore that, don’t we?

Anyhow. I’m not going to say anything you don’t already know or think. I’m sorry about everything you have to go through, but a quick sample of the comments here and of the presidential candidates tells me that none of it is going away soon. Please keep telling your stories because minorities need to be heard.

Mike
Mike
10 years ago

You must be on a watchlist due to a similar name as someone else or maybe just a middle eastern sounding name in general, who knows. Thats why you can’t even check in at the kiosk…you’re already flagged. Its not just a case or immigration/TSA policy or some agents giving you a hard time because you’re brown. There are plenty of other muslims who don’t go through what you do at the airport. Have you tried applying for a redress number? It has helped some people.

Samantha
Samantha
10 years ago

Wow.. after reading through these comments I am now understanding how a man like Trump may actually win the presidency. It’s really sad how ignorant and hateful people are. Thank you for sharing this story with us.

Skycap
Skycap
9 years ago
Reply to  Samantha

Seriously Samantha? I can say the same thing about Your Hillary. At least we now have a president with balls.

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Wes
Wes
10 years ago

Here’s what needs to be fleshed out by the various sects of Islamic clergy: what is the controlling definition of “innocents” in the context of the Islamic scripts? I constantly am hearing of such scripts forbidding the killing of “innocents” as a means of proof that the religion of peace is not an inaccurate descriptor. However, it is understood that at least some more conservative, or perhaps more accurately, more devout Muslims are of the belief that infidels are not “innocent” by virtue of their failure to submit.

I have little doubt that there are several groups with varying interpretations. Not being able to know who believes what naturally leads to the casting of a wide net from a security standpoint.

Without question, there exists a credible, concerted, and religiously-inspired war effort against the very existence of Western civilization. Unless and until the war is won, life will continue to be suboptimal for all of us who continue to live within the Western world (unfortunately, life in these conditions will be worse for those who may bear a superficial resemblance to those who wish to eradicate us all). The problem would be best resolved by the good Muslims erasing the bad from the earth or lending substantial assistance to that end. Perceived failure to assist in this is viewed as tacit acceptance of the evil-doers’ methods.

I am sympathetic to the plight of peaceful people who are incorrectly viewed as potential threats. However, the only sure fire way to reverse such sentiment is to proactively join in the efforts not only repudiating the bad people, but by consistently taking direct action against them. Whining and hand-wringing about the increased scrutiny received at airports in the immediate wake of a mass murder by islamic extremists does little to inspire confidence to this end.

JustSaying
JustSaying
10 years ago
Reply to  Wes

I think what we can all agree on is we need to work harder at embracing all our differences and moving us beyond a nihilist approach to the confrontations in our lives…………perhaps You could say the next time you are detained in the airport security time out room……..”I am so proud of my Pakistani brothers who worked for the CIA and helped bring down bin laden…….I really don’t think he would have been brought down down without that brother who saw the need to help a democracy sure its’ freedom”………….I can’t imagine that we can’t all agree that that cooperative effort across ethnic and religious lines made and makes our country and our freedoms stronger………as a US Army officer that is what I fought for and that is the myth I will continue to believe in……………I hope that all will feel a moment of love this weekend…..ultimately that is what we are are fighting to protect…………

td7
td7
10 years ago

First of all, you’re an idiot for posting this. What were you expecting? How ironic that you are sooo educated, so that of course nobody else’s opinions can be correct. And it’s good to see all of your twitter bf’s approve of the horrible process you have to endure. Clearly you need a gf or a wife so that you can have someone to vent to and not air it on the #internet.

I understand going through the airport sucks for you; this is the world that we live in, so welcome to it. Terrorism is horrible-but if they didn’t do the current security that is going on right, I’m sure there would be many more acts of terrorism. My question to you is, what are you doing to fight terrorism? You’re a so called ‘American’ and Muslim as well, so what are you doing? Is it not America’s duty to fight terrorism? Who else fights it more than America? Currently I assume you are doing nothing to fight terrorism. I can tell you this though: You get grilled by TSA and have to endure racial profiling because that is how you can help fight terrorism in America. Get that through your head. It’s called patriotism-first and even second generation American struggle with that bc they are loyal to their mother land but eventually you will get it. You fight terror by enduring racial profiling. You do it for #murica, not for you or for anyone else. So instead of complaining, if you could just accept your role it would be a lot easier for you imho.

This last part I’m taking a wild guess, but do you think that all extremist Muslims are born that way? I’m sure some of them convert. THAT is probably why you repeatedly get over-screened. Be patriotic towards America and you will really go places, think about it!

Imran Khan
Imran Khan
10 years ago
Reply to  td7

You’re a fucking idiot.

JustSaying
JustSaying
10 years ago

As a retired Army Officer, I am embarrassed by my country’s TSA program………it reminds me of Barney Fife of Mayberry and I think it is extremely wasteful and “mostly” ineffective…….following 9/11 I gave my son a briefing on how I expected him to be part of the team that rushes the hijackers if that happens to his flight……he became a deputized sky marshall and I swore him in in the family room……now I am sure the government does not want to admit that is the solution but the shoe bomber incident proved that is the solution and instead of making everybody’s life miserable we need to learn to live in a world with risk………..
All that said if I am at the gate and you come through then yes I am going to look more closely at you than the old lady and her grand daughter…….but leaving you in a room for an hour in inexcusable and shows how backward TSA is………But as an Army officer committed to security as I talk to you I also understand I need you dearly as others with your background form the core of our surveillance of the Middle East because you understand the language and culture so much better than any rural white boy ever could……We need each other and we need to keep reminding ourselves of that fact…….
But your post also reminds me that our country as a nation is intoxicated with weapons and with locking people of color up and throwing away the key…….even House Republicans see this face and prison reform is coming but long overdue……..but the bigger picture is that we have a horrible time putting our weapons down…..we have a hard time accepting that diploma might be better than bombing someone……….I miss the days of CIA missions and Special Forces quietly taking out really bad terrorists and leaving the average foot soldier on American soil………
I don’t have any magic solution to how badly you are treated or how you can solve it but you should feel a certain satisfaction that you have evolved into a higher form of thinking than what you experience at the airport TSA stands………..I truly pity where their head is and the miserable life they have created for themselves………I think your head is in a much higher place……………

WhoisJohnGalt?
WhoisJohnGalt?
10 years ago
Reply to  JustSaying

“intoxicated with weapons”? where the hell did that come from? And I like the idea of locking up ANYONE who breaks the law, screw their color. You are full of jibber-jabber, whish makes me believe you really are a retired Army officer, cause an enlisted man would not make nearly as many asinine comments.

JustSaying
JustSaying
10 years ago
Reply to  WhoisJohnGalt?

John the reason you don’t have anything on your collar is so you don’t make the wrong decisions for everyone else’s children……go get your job as a prison guard and stop whining………at ease……….

WhoisJohnGalt?
WhoisJohnGalt?
10 years ago
Reply to  JustSaying

I truly apologize for entering in a conversation with you as I just read your “woe is me, whites be stepin on my neck” comment. I withdraw from the conversation and will leave you to your self pity. Enjoy.

WhoisJohnGalt?
WhoisJohnGalt?
10 years ago

Welcome to the club. I am a 61 year old fat man who looks about as dangerous as santa claus, and yet I get pulled out of line 8 times out of ten (yes I keep count) for extra screening and to have my fingers checked for GSR. And yes, I am a global entry holder and use my known traveler number even when flying in country.

Dragana
Dragana
10 years ago

Please stop! My parents are Serbians and I have serbian first and last name. I am an American citizen. I have been discriminated on airports for ages now…worst was by a guy named Mustafa on Paris airport. When finally he was told bu his superior that he has to release us, two hours after our plane left, he commented on how many Muslim were killed by Serbs in Bosnia. I was 11 at the time of the war and living in States. So now that is happening to you, let’s all cry…give me a break.

KKK
KKK
10 years ago
Reply to  Dragana

@Dragana.

Please tell us that this continues to happen to you…in the USA? Yes? Extra screening and scrutiny? Right?

I don’t think so. Nice try.

Dragana
Dragana
10 years ago
Reply to  KKK

Yes it does. Every single time i travel we end up having to do special screening. My dad’s hands and feet were dusted by security for whatever in NYC this September-i guess he looks super dangerous-75 year old with asthma. Just because I don’t blog about it it doesn’t mean it did not happen

J
J
10 years ago

I have a British friend of Indian origin. He’s Hindu, and yet he goes through the same thing every time he travels to and from America. He gets SSSS printed on the boarding pass every time he travels and on numerous occasions, he’s been pulled off the plane for extra checks in London when flying to the States.

With that aside, thank you for the interesting post.

Dave
Dave
10 years ago

TS didn’t Muslim travel girl say these things rarely happen to her in the US? Could you be on some mysterious “list” for extra screening in the USA?

J
J
10 years ago

Probably not the time to talk about your inconvenience…..Furthermore, the travel some do in this hobby should cause scrutiny. A few people who took up my torch in Brussels are in the hospital with burns and shrapnel in them. ( They now do the job I did in Brussels. ) When you talk about your religion and them not representing you, you are referring to your interpretation of it. Others interpret religious text differently. Trust me, in my religion we have a few whack jobs too, but nobody has yet taken down city blocks for the “faith.”

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